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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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for the 11th of july 2021

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666 111

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2021 it's all arbitrary anyway

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or is it find out our first segment

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today is

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you can count on adrian with adrian hill

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with special guest

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kelly burke and adrian and kelly will be

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discussing

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666 why is it that 666

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seems to crop up a lot hmm

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following that it's the book of tim with

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tim menum and this week's a bit

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different book of tim

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this week i will interview tim about

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what it's like to be at the skeptic's

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headquarters

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the main contact for the public and the

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media for australian skeptics and

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what it's like to put together each

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quarter the skeptic magazine

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then it's the return of maynard with

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maynard's spooky action

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a very short report this week about a

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mysterious new

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um type of meditation healing product

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called

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the broadway singing bowl

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and the round off the show it's once

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more into the trove archives

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to look for references in reports to

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psychic animals

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is your cat psychic i think the cats

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here the skeptic's own cats must be

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psychic

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they know when it's dinner time they

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really do now folks i've been having a

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very interesting time since sydney is in

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severe lockdown at the moment

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with covert cases sadly on the increase

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with the delta strain

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i um splurged a little bit and i got

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myself an interesting

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sort of vr headset and

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last night i was floating around the

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international space station

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and grabbing satellites and things with

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the canada arm and going outside on

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spacewalks it's

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truly amazing it really is unfortunately

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the food on the space station

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leaves a lot to be designed but what i

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one of my favorite foods is some kum pao

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chicken or

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lovely spicy chinese food and uh

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things like that mmm

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absolutely delicious something maybe

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like spicy beef noodle soup

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japanese curry spicy hot pots all sounds

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i'm just going to sit here and think

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about all those things because right now

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it's a little difficult to go out and

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get them i suppose i could have them

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delivered i don't know while i do that

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you can count on adrian with

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this week in honor of the skeptic zone

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i thought we should look into and have a

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little fun with this

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infamous number i had so much fun

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i have invited her to round up some

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666 stories so we could compare our

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findings i'm so excited that kelly's

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going to be here again welcome kelly

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hi adrian i'm excited to be back and

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richard doesn't know this is a surprise

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exactly we thought we'd uh surprise him

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a little in our last meeting

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with the australian psychic prediction

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he actually said hey adrian you know you

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should work with kelly more often so

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i was kind of smiling because we had

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this in the works already so it's pretty

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first a little bit of history i was not

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with the history of this number but a

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and according to numberphile on youtube

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youtube channels and i'm sure richard

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numberphile the biblical reference

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comes from revelation chapter 13 and it

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the number of the beast for it is a

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its number is 666. this can be looked on

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as a riddle the word reckon in english

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to calculate and hebrew numbers have a

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letter and that's how they have their

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number system and so it'd be like

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and 2 to b etc in english and if the

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letters of the leader of the time

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without actually getting into trouble

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numbers in other words 1

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you get 666 which actually leads us

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nicely into

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the roulette wheel now the roulette

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particularly the monte carlo roulette

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wheel was invented by francois

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blanc and he was said to have made a

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deal with the devil

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to determine the secrets of the game

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are from 0 to 36 and i'm sure you can

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see why the devil was involved

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based on what i just said where if you

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so i learned something fun about that oh

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so there's a special name for that type

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of number which is a triangular number

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because you can make a pyramid out of

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make each layer going up a descending

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doubly triangular number because 36 is

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i don't know what's special about it

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being doubly triangular but

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trivia for everybody

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did you find anything else fun i did 266

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cool but hopefully some listeners

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exactly okay enough with the math oh

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sum of the squares of the first seven

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oh that's awesome so somebody was having

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a lot of fun

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this was like a whole page i found with

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tons of fun math facts about 666

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someone was just having a lot of fun

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trying to add

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random crap together to make 666 i think

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and it just goes to show a little bit

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too that if we look for it we can always

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which leads into that sort of

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confirmation bias i think what was

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really fun when we decided to take on

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this project

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we started seeing 666 everywhere and

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i think you the first thing you did you

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texted me when you were on holidays at

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the beach

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and you had kind of a fun thing happen

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there yes so

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i was playing uno with my little cousin

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and i swear i didn't do this on purpose

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but just what happened to end up in my

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when i played a card was 666 all of

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different colors

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and it goes back to that like vader

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meinhof phenomenon where like when you

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learn a word you hear it everywhere

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once we were hyper aware of it because

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we were gonna do this segment we

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realized how many

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six six sixes we found all around us and

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in the process of filling out a

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prescription at the time when you sent

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and i looked at the prescription and it

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was seven numbers and the three in the

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middle were 666.

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so it was really funny how heightened we

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and then we were golfing on the weekend

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but my husband on the first three holes

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shot six six six and

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if you're a golfer you'll know that

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maybe that's not the best score he was

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seven over par after three holes and

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you think maybe with the number of the

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beast being part of it maybe he would

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continue to play poorly

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but no he actually recovered quite

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nicely and had a really good round but

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we i just thought it was really funny

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that we decided to do this segment and

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then my husband

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shot six six six on the first three

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goals if i were golfing i probably would

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have gotten 666 on the first hole

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he did better than me and another thing

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i saw a tweet from secular humanist

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villa bianca

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and it was quite amusing because it said

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be warned ken ham we just booked plane

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tickets to kentucky for the tri-state

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freethinkers arc

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encounter protest on july 10th the cost

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of the ticket seems

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auspicious and the cost of her ticket

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was 666 dollars and

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six cents i thought that was wonderful

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that's perfect

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i wonder what ken ham thought about that

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hopefully he saw it i really hope so

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have you ever had in the past any

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interesting

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encounters with the number 666 or did

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you find any online

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when you were looking so i found some

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fun ones online

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i found a website called

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hauntedplaces2go.com

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and they had a whole page about highway

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is it in the us so it is in the

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southwest region

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of colorado but i think it goes through

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multiple states

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it looks like an interstate uh it looks

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like it was actually renamed though

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to 491 i guess because of the stigma of

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666. it's like that thing where they

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don't put a floor 13 in a hotel

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they don't want to have a highway 666.

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so there are a bunch of stories

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the first one they have called satan's

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sedan it says

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one of the most widespread stories

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surrounding the unexplained phenomenon

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of the haunted highway 666

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is a story that covers the experiences

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that involve an

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ominous black sedan that appears to

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charge

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individuals driving on this long stretch

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of road many individuals that have

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traveled this road

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have stated that as doing so they began

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to experience an intense degree of fear

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as the sun sets on the lonely horizon

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within their view

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and funny that this black sedan shows up

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after sunset when every car looks black

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because it's dark anyway

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once darkness falls on the desolate road

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the witnesses claim to see headlights

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coming up behind them

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because you know that never happens on

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the road right despite the fact

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that they reach high speeds the car

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seems to gain on them quickly

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many pull over in order to get out of

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the way of the dangerously close vehicle

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many witness the vehicle speeding fast

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past them others

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look up to view the vehicle and discover

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that there was no

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vehicle at all is this a hallucination

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induced by the desert or does satan

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truly intimidate

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travelers in a mysterious black sedan

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because if i were satan that would be my

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primary concern

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scaring people off of my highway it's

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interesting how

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the stigma of that number can cause

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things to

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change and it's really interesting many

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years ago

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actually in 1995 we were moving from

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vancouver to

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the edmonton area and we were looking

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for a home

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and there was a really beautiful house

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that we looked at

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but as we were walking up to the front

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door i noticed

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and we all noticed that the house number

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was you guessed it

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660 i hope you bought that house right

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away

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you know i think if we knew we were

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going to stay we probably would have

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just because it was a beautiful home

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and what a cool number to have

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especially when you're not superstitious

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but we were only supposed to be in

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edmonton for

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two years and so we had to consider

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resale

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and so we didn't buy it even though

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we're not superstitious and we weren't

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worried about the number

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we decided not to buy it because we were

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worried about being able to sell it

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again because we knew so many people

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are suspicious so there's a harm there i

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wouldn't have even thought of that

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that poor person selling their house

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who's probably encountering a lot of

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people who are like

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oh it's a lovely house but i don't think

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i want to buy it just in case

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exactly and so that that that is a harm

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of superstition for sure

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this was told to me by my friend adrian

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what a great name and

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she's also a math teacher it's so cool

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so she told me about this she's a hiker

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she loves to go hiking in the mountains

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here and we live

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you know about an hour and a half to two

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hours from the mountains

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and she told me about a local hike at

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prairie mountain

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and people have a love-hate relationship

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with it because

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at the top you're all rewarded with this

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beautiful

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360 degree view but to get there

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you have to climb 666 meters

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elevation change along i know

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along a 6.6 kilometer hike so there's a

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lot of sixes going on there

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that's great you know what's funny about

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that though if it were in the u.s

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there would be nothing significant about

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it because we would have measured it in

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feet exactly that was going to be my

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so i have one other thing that i wanted

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to talk about and this

390
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might be my favorite uh this isn't an

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accidental 666 but an intentional one

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because earlier this year lil nazex

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put out a music video for his new single

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montero

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call me by your name and for those of

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you who haven't seen it go watch this

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music video it's incredible

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he's talked about how as a gay man

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he has been demonized by the church so

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he made this whole video

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that kind of uses those christian themes

402
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but has him

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coming out on top in the end and it's

404
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absolutely fantastic

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and also made a lot of super religious

406
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people freak out so that's even more

407
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recent to go and watch it

408
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but in addition to this really

409
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incredible music video

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he also put out shoes which i'm sure

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you've heard about

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he put out 666 pairs of his shoes that

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he designed himself

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and they went on sale for 1018

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which was a reference to luke 10 18 a

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passage about satan's fall from heaven

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these shoes were so cool

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they had pentagrams on the heel so i

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guess when you stepped

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it left like a pentagram design in the

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ground

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and they had an inverted cross on the

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tongue and every shoe

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had a drop of human blood in the soul i

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remember people kind of freaking out

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about that a little bit

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yes which nike ended up suing because i

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think they had like the

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something that looked like the nike

430
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check mark so i'm not sure the status of

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them now but they sold out

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instantly i think they were actually

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nike shoes that he used

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oh were they and that was the problem

435
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yeah and he'd apparently done that

436
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before with another promotion but they

437
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didn't bother about it too much

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but this one got attention so they cared

439
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it got attention

440
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if i were the type of person to spend a

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thousand dollars on shoes i

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totally would have gotten a pair yes

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kind of like the 666 house right

444
00:15:55,829 --> 00:15:55,199
yes exactly i wouldn't mind talking

445
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right now

446
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about something i did find that was i

447
00:16:00,550 --> 00:15:58,880
thought really fun as well

448
00:16:02,550 --> 00:16:00,560
somebody making use kind of like the

449
00:16:05,670 --> 00:16:02,560
shoes that you were just talking about

450
00:16:08,790 --> 00:16:05,680
in 2012 so a while ago

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a new york food truck decided to serve

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quote unquote devilish new menu item

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it was a 666 dollar

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burger that they decided to call the

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douche burger

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and it was made up of kobe beef patty

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wrapped

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00:16:29,110 --> 00:16:25,120
in gold leaf had foie gras

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caviar lobster truffles my favorite

460
00:16:37,269 --> 00:16:32,800
melted greer cheese melted with

461
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champagne steam wow

462
00:16:40,629 --> 00:16:39,360
so they didn't put champagne in the

463
00:16:43,910 --> 00:16:40,639
burger they just

464
00:16:46,550 --> 00:16:43,920
wasted the champagne melting the cheese

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if i had crazy billionaire money i might

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investigate

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00:16:50,550 --> 00:16:49,759
six burger but even that seems excessive

468
00:16:52,629 --> 00:16:50,560
exactly and

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according to this article that i found

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by at the time it was written they'd

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only sold

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one but the sales of all their other

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burgers went through the roof

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so it was a bit of a marketing ploy and

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all

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of their other burgers on their menu

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were six dollars and sixty-six

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cents so they really oh that's great so

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they made other people

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buy burgers that cost six dollars and

481
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sixty six cents two of those spending

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666

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on a burger i love stuff like that

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though

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it is it's very very creative right yeah

486
00:17:26,470 --> 00:17:25,280
well what i think is really interesting

487
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just like in my

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previous number topics like three the

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you know good things happen and three

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bad things happen in three

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how there's always this counterbalance

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of good and and evil that can happen

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with a number

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i found that in china 666

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is actually considered to be lucky and

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according to wikipedia it

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that number is often displayed in shop

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windows and neon signs

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so there's a another example of where

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culturally

501
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you can find it both sides that it's a

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good luck number or it's an evil number

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so if i want to buy my 666 sign i can go

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to china

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now it's time for all of you to notice

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all the 666s

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in your life that have been there all

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along and it's time for me to go

509
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upstairs

510
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and make myself a 666 burger

511
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so nice to be back at skeptics in the

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pub yes richard it's great that covert

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19 is a thing of the past

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and we can gather together and not wear

515
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masks although i will occasionally you

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know like you know

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in special situations you know what i

518
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mean

519
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this this beer tastes better than i

520
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remember

521
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and this beer glass is much bigger than

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i remember

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hmm oh thanks for this i'll get the next

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round

525
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ah no need all the bib is free tonight

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free

527
00:19:01,590 --> 00:19:00,000
wow did you hear that all the

528
00:19:02,870 --> 00:19:01,600
anti-vaxxers and flat earthers have

529
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changed their minds

530
00:19:07,830 --> 00:19:06,080
what really yeah yeah yeah they're now

531
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busy writing apology letters to the

532
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whole world

533
00:19:11,270 --> 00:19:09,919
they're really busy they're gonna have

534
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to sharpen their pencil if you know what

535
00:19:14,950 --> 00:19:11,760
i mean

536
00:19:16,549 --> 00:19:14,960
ah look it's lara coming over here with

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a plate full of

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00:19:21,430 --> 00:19:19,360
food hi youtube did you know that the

539
00:19:24,390 --> 00:19:21,440
food at the bar is free tonight

540
00:19:24,950 --> 00:19:24,400
anything you want really you have to try

541
00:19:28,150 --> 00:19:24,960
the lobster

542
00:19:29,350 --> 00:19:28,160
chips lobster and chips oh wow this is

543
00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:29,360
like a dream

544
00:19:33,510 --> 00:19:31,679
and this pub now has recliner chairs a

545
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free foot massage for everyone and

546
00:19:39,110 --> 00:19:36,400
vouchers for uber rides home

547
00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:39,120
wow hang on this seems too good to be

548
00:19:41,990 --> 00:19:40,400
true who's the guest speaker it's not

549
00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:42,000
bloody brian dunning is it

550
00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:45,200
let me see uh this

551
00:19:51,110 --> 00:19:48,480
is odd it says here it's the skeptical

552
00:19:54,950 --> 00:19:51,120
fairy godmother angel from the internet

553
00:20:00,730 --> 00:19:54,960
the skeptical godmoth fairy in

554
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[Laughter]

555
00:20:09,750 --> 00:20:08,159
up woman hello everyone who are you like

556
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you're only 10 centimetres tall

557
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that's about four inches for those of

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you using the

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00:20:17,510 --> 00:20:15,760
darth vader imperial system and floating

560
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in the air that can't be right

561
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as lara said i'm the skeptical

562
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fairy godmother angel from the internet

563
00:20:27,669 --> 00:20:26,080
ask a silly question and you're

564
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tonight's guest speaker

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well not really i have come to tell you

566
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that

567
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i thought this was too good to be true i

568
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know we can't meet in pubs at the moment

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but that shouldn't stop you from

570
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enjoying skeptical talks online

571
00:20:53,270 --> 00:20:50,159
the fixed skeptics have skeptics cafe

572
00:20:54,390 --> 00:20:53,280
each month sydney has skeptics in the

573
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park

574
00:20:57,830 --> 00:20:56,960
there are online events from the gold

575
00:21:02,630 --> 00:20:57,840
coast and

576
00:21:05,669 --> 00:21:02,640
yes yes this all sounds eerily familiar

577
00:21:06,870 --> 00:21:05,679
have we met before somewhere maybe we

578
00:21:10,149 --> 00:21:06,880
have

579
00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:10,159
maybe it was as we watched a live and

580
00:21:16,710 --> 00:21:13,360
interactive skeptical talk all you need

581
00:21:17,270 --> 00:21:16,720
do is search for them online no matter

582
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:17,280
where you

583
00:21:20,950 --> 00:21:19,039
are in the world she's right i've been

584
00:21:22,950 --> 00:21:20,960
watching skeptical talks from the uk

585
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:22,960
the us and even one from my own living

586
00:21:26,310 --> 00:21:24,720
room although that one wasn't

587
00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:26,320
very interesting i fell asleep and i was

588
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:28,559
the speaker hang on hang on

589
00:21:36,789 --> 00:21:32,960
weren't you once the tooth fairy

590
00:21:42,830 --> 00:21:36,799
i'll never leave that down one last

591
00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:50,230
mine goodbye

592
00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:53,270
sparklers she disappeared but um we're

593
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:54,080
still here

594
00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:57,120
huh right so

595
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,280
um lobster and chips anyone

596
00:22:13,300 --> 00:22:03,120
all right now it's a dream you want to

597
00:22:16,549 --> 00:22:13,310
pay for everybody

598
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and now a reading from the book of tim

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[Music]

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yes it's the book of tim with tim

601
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mendenham and joining me on the line

602
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because of lockdown i can't be there

603
00:22:37,830 --> 00:22:36,320
to record tim this week it's tim mendham

604
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hi tim

605
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:41,840
treating you

606
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:43,280
oh it's all right thank you very much

607
00:22:46,870 --> 00:22:44,799
i'm actually locked away in the bathroom

608
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at the moment and i refuse to come out

609
00:22:50,789 --> 00:22:49,039
well that's always a good policy i think

610
00:22:52,870 --> 00:22:50,799
tim now listeners know

611
00:22:54,070 --> 00:22:52,880
you uh come on frequently to read from

612
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:54,080
the skeptic magazine

613
00:22:57,350 --> 00:22:55,600
the journal from australian skeptics in

614
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the book of tim's segment

615
00:23:01,190 --> 00:22:59,520
but i was wondering and maybe my

616
00:23:02,470 --> 00:23:01,200
listeners are wondering too what it's

617
00:23:04,630 --> 00:23:02,480
like

618
00:23:06,230 --> 00:23:04,640
in your day-to-day job there at

619
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,240
skeptic's headquarters

620
00:23:09,510 --> 00:23:08,320
uh let's get to the magazine in a minute

621
00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:09,520
but you

622
00:23:12,870 --> 00:23:10,960
you're on the front line aren't you

623
00:23:14,789 --> 00:23:12,880
you're the guy who answers the phone

624
00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,799
call when people ring up australian

625
00:23:18,149 --> 00:23:16,559
skeptics you must get some interesting

626
00:23:20,230 --> 00:23:18,159
calls from time to time

627
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:20,240
i get some very interesting calls from

628
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:21,440
time to time actually i

629
00:23:25,830 --> 00:23:23,919
would you know have to say that um they

630
00:23:27,190 --> 00:23:25,840
run the gamut from very friendly people

631
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:27,200
i mean you obviously get all the

632
00:23:29,669 --> 00:23:28,720
subscribers and people like that which

633
00:23:31,830 --> 00:23:29,679
is good to talk to

634
00:23:33,430 --> 00:23:31,840
people have been around for ages and and

635
00:23:35,430 --> 00:23:33,440
newbies etc and we

636
00:23:36,789 --> 00:23:35,440
like to talk skepticism but then we get

637
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:36,799
the people who are coming in for the

638
00:23:41,110 --> 00:23:37,760
challenge

639
00:23:43,669 --> 00:23:41,120
we offer

640
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:43,679
to anyone with a paranormal power that

641
00:23:48,390 --> 00:23:45,360
they can prove

642
00:23:50,310 --> 00:23:48,400
um and we get some very strange people

643
00:23:51,909 --> 00:23:50,320
who think that just by saying

644
00:23:53,830 --> 00:23:51,919
they can do something they get the money

645
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:53,840
we have to say no

646
00:23:57,029 --> 00:23:55,520
it's actually a little bit more involved

647
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:57,039
than that and they have to get through

648
00:24:00,470 --> 00:23:58,720
tests and scientific tests and things

649
00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:00,480
like that but some of the claims that

650
00:24:04,870 --> 00:24:01,760
people make

651
00:24:06,470 --> 00:24:04,880
are very weird um which is probably a

652
00:24:09,510 --> 00:24:06,480
bit yeah

653
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:09,520
you shocked me yeah i mean yeah

654
00:24:14,950 --> 00:24:13,360
it's it's but we get a lot of

655
00:24:16,390 --> 00:24:14,960
people who are water designers they're

656
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:16,400
okay they're fine they're yeah sort of

657
00:24:20,230 --> 00:24:18,400
cool people they're nice you know

658
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:20,240
um but we get a lot of psychics and

659
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:22,480
people who can do telekinesis and things

660
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,760
and half the time

661
00:24:26,789 --> 00:24:25,279
when they explain what they're doing we

662
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:26,799
have to tell them how they're doing it

663
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:29,600
um in reality and then they never come

664
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:30,960
back to us they don't yeah they don't

665
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:33,360
like that uh we got a few ufo people i

666
00:24:35,830 --> 00:24:34,159
think it's sort of

667
00:24:37,510 --> 00:24:35,840
your face is hard because you think is

668
00:24:38,789 --> 00:24:37,520
that actually your skill or is it just

669
00:24:40,549 --> 00:24:38,799
you happen to see something

670
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:40,559
yeah we did have one person who reckoned

671
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:42,400
he was covered in ufo dust

672
00:24:47,110 --> 00:24:46,240
ufo dust yes and uh he also said he saw

673
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:47,120
ufos

674
00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:50,480
in the sky and filmed them um and

675
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:51,840
you couldn't see them but they were

676
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:53,679
apparently there um he sent a lot of

677
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:55,200
videos over

678
00:25:01,750 --> 00:24:58,480
um he also reckoned that the shadow of a

679
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:01,760
con trail was black mata or dark matter

680
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:03,760
well that's an interesting one it wasn't

681
00:25:05,669 --> 00:25:05,120
interesting i had to point out it was a

682
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:05,679
shadow

683
00:25:11,750 --> 00:25:08,720
right on clouds etc it's it's

684
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:11,760
the the the usual story is that um

685
00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:13,760
i i would get people coming in or

686
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:15,760
phoning in or writing in

687
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:17,360
at least once a week i get a different

688
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:20,000
person yeah sometimes more

689
00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:22,159
and then they when they realize that

690
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:24,320
they have to do a scientific test

691
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:26,799
they drop out most of them will drop out

692
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:28,080
straight away

693
00:25:31,430 --> 00:25:29,919
um and then so you get about you know 10

694
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,440
percent less left

695
00:25:35,269 --> 00:25:33,600
who might be serious enough to actually

696
00:25:36,470 --> 00:25:35,279
say yeah let's proceed

697
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:36,480
and then we say well what can you

698
00:25:41,590 --> 00:25:39,360
actually do and how would you test it

699
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:41,600
and then they'd never thought of that

700
00:25:45,909 --> 00:25:42,640
they just uh

701
00:25:47,830 --> 00:25:45,919
claim they have their their skills and

702
00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:47,840
they can that would be enough to

703
00:25:49,750 --> 00:25:48,799
actually show it but we're saying

704
00:25:51,669 --> 00:25:49,760
they've got to do an under strict

705
00:25:51,900 --> 00:25:51,679
conditions and about then we get about

706
00:25:52,950 --> 00:25:51,910
uh

707
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[Music]

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five percent or about half of those

709
00:25:58,630 --> 00:25:56,000
would drop out very quickly

710
00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:58,640
and can't figure out how to do a test

711
00:26:02,390 --> 00:25:59,679
and then we go

712
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:02,400
to a small number really and uh who

713
00:26:04,710 --> 00:26:02,880
actually

714
00:26:08,149 --> 00:26:04,720
are keen to do a test and we can work

715
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:08,159
out some sort of rough protocol

716
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:09,919
and when we do test them they can't go

717
00:26:13,750 --> 00:26:11,840
any further than that unfortunately

718
00:26:15,669 --> 00:26:13,760
we've never had someone go to the final

719
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:15,679
big hundred thousand dollars here's the

720
00:26:18,470 --> 00:26:16,080
check

721
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:18,480
test yeah we've got we're gonna we've

722
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:19,600
probably done about

723
00:26:23,190 --> 00:26:22,159
200 or so tests over the years yeah i

724
00:26:26,950 --> 00:26:23,200
seem to

725
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:26,960
recall sometime in our history there's

726
00:26:31,669 --> 00:26:27,760
been

727
00:26:32,149 --> 00:26:31,679
the very rare time where we've waived

728
00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:32,159
the

729
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:39,760
maybe i mis remembering but by and large

730
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:42,960
is just to remind everybody you have to

731
00:26:48,310 --> 00:26:46,400
pass a very uh informal

732
00:26:50,549 --> 00:26:48,320
preliminary test before you go for the

733
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:50,559
money and nobody has even

734
00:26:54,149 --> 00:26:52,960
come close to passing this informal part

735
00:26:55,590 --> 00:26:54,159
of the test

736
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:55,600
yeah it's it's pretty straightforward

737
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:57,120
it's a fairly simple one just so that we

738
00:27:01,190 --> 00:26:58,720
know what their claim is

739
00:27:02,070 --> 00:27:01,200
and what they how they do it we know not

740
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:02,080
necessarily

741
00:27:06,230 --> 00:27:04,400
how we debunk it but if we were to

742
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:06,240
debunk it but how they reckon it happens

743
00:27:09,029 --> 00:27:07,600
the circumstances

744
00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:09,039
it's just so we understand what the

745
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:10,880
environment is for a test and then we

746
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:13,279
if they pass that if they indicate there

747
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:14,240
that there's something sort of

748
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:16,159
worthwhile following up we then go for a

749
00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:17,200
serious test yeah

750
00:27:20,549 --> 00:27:18,559
and so far we've never been for that

751
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:20,559
seriously we haven't and

752
00:27:23,590 --> 00:27:22,399
it's also worth remembering that it's a

753
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:23,600
prize i mean

754
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:25,039
okay we call it the challenge but

755
00:27:29,510 --> 00:27:26,880
ultimately it's a prize you know

756
00:27:29,990 --> 00:27:29,520
if you can do this you get a prize if

757
00:27:31,990 --> 00:27:30,000
you can

758
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:32,000
swim the ocean in a certain amount of

759
00:27:35,350 --> 00:27:33,600
time you get a prize if you can do this

760
00:27:38,870 --> 00:27:35,360
feat you get a prize so

761
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:38,880
it is a prize and it's it's it's

762
00:27:43,350 --> 00:27:39,600
interesting

763
00:27:46,389 --> 00:27:43,360
to note that yes many people haven't

764
00:27:48,230 --> 00:27:46,399
even ever considered a test or to test

765
00:27:49,909 --> 00:27:48,240
themselves or anything they simply

766
00:27:51,430 --> 00:27:49,919
automatically assume they have these

767
00:27:53,510 --> 00:27:51,440
abilities

768
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:53,520
yeah they do it it is a price so it's

769
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:55,440
real money it actually exists

770
00:27:58,470 --> 00:27:57,200
um it's amazing how many people say you

771
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:58,480
know they don't want the price they

772
00:28:01,750 --> 00:28:00,159
don't want the money they want to

773
00:28:03,190 --> 00:28:01,760
pollute their skills we say we'll give

774
00:28:04,549 --> 00:28:03,200
it to a charity give it to a friend

775
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:04,559
whatever that's okay

776
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:06,799
we don't care who you give it to but uh

777
00:28:09,590 --> 00:28:07,840
and then we get uh

778
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:09,600
psychics who say oh i don't i wouldn't

779
00:28:13,029 --> 00:28:11,760
uh accept that sort of money it would be

780
00:28:16,870 --> 00:28:13,039
terrible then you say well how do you

781
00:28:19,269 --> 00:28:16,880
earn a living let me

782
00:28:21,110 --> 00:28:19,279
yeah so i mean it is a prize and it's

783
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:21,120
basically to someone who can do what

784
00:28:25,750 --> 00:28:22,720
they say they can do

785
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,760
yeah that's simple it's the old it's the

786
00:28:28,870 --> 00:28:27,120
old story because we've been doing this

787
00:28:30,149 --> 00:28:28,880
for so many years and i and i do like

788
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:30,159
the ones that

789
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:33,360
when they can't perform as claimed

790
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,399
one of the standard excuses is well you

791
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:38,720
can't test what i do

792
00:28:42,830 --> 00:28:41,440
yes yeah well that's some of that start

793
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:42,840
off with that actually

794
00:28:47,029 --> 00:28:45,760
um claims are so vague you think well

795
00:28:48,549 --> 00:28:47,039
how do i test this yeah

796
00:28:50,710 --> 00:28:48,559
what are you actually doing well i can't

797
00:28:51,909 --> 00:28:50,720
tell you yeah all right that's often

798
00:28:53,750 --> 00:28:51,919
good stuff i've had that

799
00:28:55,190 --> 00:28:53,760
literally i've had that yeah i can't

800
00:28:59,190 --> 00:28:55,200
tell you because it's a

801
00:29:01,990 --> 00:28:59,200
trade secret yeah

802
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:02,000
okay thank you bye you can't go very far

803
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:03,679
the other one is like i've heard from

804
00:29:06,470 --> 00:29:04,480
homeopath

805
00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:06,480
is we we know it works and we're waiting

806
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:08,080
for science to catch up

807
00:29:11,590 --> 00:29:10,480
that's that's a great one yeah i mean

808
00:29:14,149 --> 00:29:11,600
it's some of those things

809
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:14,159
that i get i get a lot of people who as

810
00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:15,919
i say so telekinesis says

811
00:29:21,029 --> 00:29:19,200
of all this of all the the people that

812
00:29:22,070 --> 00:29:21,039
come and challenge you telekinesis is

813
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:22,080
quite common

814
00:29:26,789 --> 00:29:23,600
but people think sticking something to

815
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:26,799
their chest like a spoon demonstrations

816
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:29,520
spoons i've had someone stick a um an

817
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:30,320
ipad

818
00:29:33,350 --> 00:29:31,760
to their chest i said don't do that

819
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:33,360
because it'll drop off any second an

820
00:29:36,870 --> 00:29:34,240
ipad

821
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:36,880
that's a new one yeah i know i actually

822
00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:37,840
seen a video of that

823
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:41,360
and it did drop over after a while um

824
00:29:44,549 --> 00:29:42,880
he also reckoned he could make books

825
00:29:45,990 --> 00:29:44,559
fall over um

826
00:29:49,430 --> 00:29:46,000
but basically they were the flimsiest

827
00:29:52,070 --> 00:29:49,440
little books obviously balanced on

828
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:52,080
upright on the anything would actually

829
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:52,720
make him not

830
00:29:56,630 --> 00:29:55,360
knock over it it's some people come back

831
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:56,640
to you all the time they keep coming

832
00:29:59,269 --> 00:29:57,600
back with new id

833
00:30:00,789 --> 00:29:59,279
hey i've got this one i've got this one

834
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:00,799
then you have to say no i've seen that

835
00:30:03,269 --> 00:30:02,159
three thousand times and this is how

836
00:30:06,389 --> 00:30:03,279
it's done well this is

837
00:30:07,909 --> 00:30:06,399
why it happens etc and um but i still

838
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:07,919
treat them all i treat them individually

839
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:09,840
i write back i'm very polite

840
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,240
and i say well what can you do and one

841
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:14,640
of the issues of course that um

842
00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:16,240
people hear about us around the world

843
00:30:19,510 --> 00:30:17,840
you know our challenge is you know

844
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:19,520
pretty famous and australian skeptics

845
00:30:22,389 --> 00:30:20,880
are pretty famous

846
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:22,399
quite frankly around the world yeah

847
00:30:26,870 --> 00:30:24,159
because pretty active but

848
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,880
our test is only for people who uh live

849
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:28,240
in australia

850
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:30,000
because it's our test yeah and we have

851
00:30:33,669 --> 00:30:32,240
to do the the test set up etc and it's

852
00:30:36,389 --> 00:30:33,679
not going to be any good

853
00:30:38,230 --> 00:30:36,399
to rely on someone else overseas to do

854
00:30:39,430 --> 00:30:38,240
the testing on our behalf

855
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:39,440
and fair enough too i mean there are

856
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,440
other prizes overseas if someone's in

857
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:43,200
the united states or in europe they can

858
00:30:47,029 --> 00:30:43,520
find

859
00:30:50,149 --> 00:30:47,039
local uh people there who

860
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:50,159
have large sums of money yeah and some

861
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:51,360
people say they're not well you're not

862
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:52,799
serious i think it's me the money's

863
00:30:56,230 --> 00:30:54,640
there you know then i said can i move to

864
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:56,240
australia

865
00:31:02,630 --> 00:30:59,440
you'd say but at the moment

866
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:02,640
no not much chance of that no but uh the

867
00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,840
other thing is that uh

868
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:05,600
yeah really we wouldn't recommend that

869
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:06,880
because it's going to cost you a bit you

870
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:08,159
know even in good times

871
00:31:10,950 --> 00:31:09,440
it's going to cost you a bit to come

872
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:10,960
here you've got to set yourself up

873
00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:12,880
you've got to live here for a while

874
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:15,760
and we would really i mean knowing full

875
00:31:18,470 --> 00:31:16,399
well that

876
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:18,480
that the chances of their success being

877
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:19,760
blunt is

878
00:31:24,789 --> 00:31:22,720
is rare um we're not saying no one can

879
00:31:26,710 --> 00:31:24,799
do what they claim they can do

880
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:26,720
someone out there might be able to yeah

881
00:31:29,590 --> 00:31:28,399
but the chances of succeeding means

882
00:31:30,950 --> 00:31:29,600
they're going to put a lot of expense

883
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:30,960
into this and not going to get anything

884
00:31:33,430 --> 00:31:32,000
out of it

885
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:33,440
in any case we'd have to work out the

886
00:31:35,830 --> 00:31:35,039
entire protocols before they even

887
00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:35,840
approached us

888
00:31:40,230 --> 00:31:38,320
yeah and as we said that can be very

889
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:40,240
difficult for some people

890
00:31:43,190 --> 00:31:41,919
now apart from answering the phone of

891
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:43,200
course tim and doing some of the

892
00:31:46,950 --> 00:31:44,960
day-to-day routine stuff

893
00:31:49,029 --> 00:31:46,960
that is necessary for any organization

894
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:49,039
like the australian skeptics you are the

895
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:51,039
editor of the skeptic that fine journal

896
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:52,960
from australian skeptics i have

897
00:31:56,310 --> 00:31:54,960
in my hand the very latest issue at the

898
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:56,320
moment issue

899
00:32:04,950 --> 00:32:01,200
number well i should say it's volume 41

900
00:32:09,190 --> 00:32:04,960
number two and this is represents

901
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:09,200
um over 40 years of

902
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:13,519
continual publishing into our 41st year

903
00:32:17,830 --> 00:32:15,279
that's the same you want to work out 40

904
00:32:20,070 --> 00:32:17,840
times 4 is there's a 160

905
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:20,080
is it plus a couple here and there so

906
00:32:23,430 --> 00:32:21,120
that's a couple of here

907
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:23,440
here and there that's astonishing of

908
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:25,440
course it started off as

909
00:32:31,590 --> 00:32:29,279
way back in 81 and for a long time uh

910
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:31,600
a good mate the late barry williams was

911
00:32:34,230 --> 00:32:33,120
the editor of this the magazine of

912
00:32:35,909 --> 00:32:34,240
course but you you were

913
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:35,919
instrumental in the very early days

914
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:37,840
weren't you i was i was there actually i

915
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:40,080
was only five years old

916
00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:43,200
but it started but uh yeah the the

917
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:44,320
original for about half a

918
00:32:48,149 --> 00:32:46,880
copy half a decade uh it was being done

919
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:48,159
out of melbourne

920
00:32:51,350 --> 00:32:49,600
really where the a lot of the skeptical

921
00:32:53,990 --> 00:32:51,360
movements started or you know was good

922
00:32:55,509 --> 00:32:54,000
where the active people were and then uh

923
00:32:56,950 --> 00:32:55,519
when some of the active people went on

924
00:32:59,750 --> 00:32:56,960
to do other things

925
00:33:00,950 --> 00:32:59,760
we it was moved up to sydney which is

926
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:00,960
where and then i took it over

927
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:04,559
at that stage so from about uh 85 86

928
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:05,600
somewhere around there i

929
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:07,600
i took it over to edit it then bing

930
00:33:11,190 --> 00:33:08,640
that's my job

931
00:33:12,950 --> 00:33:11,200
professional job yeah um and i did it

932
00:33:16,389 --> 00:33:12,960
for another five years and then

933
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:16,399
barry took over after that for one issue

934
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:17,120
he said

935
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:20,000
and um then he would uh pass on to

936
00:33:22,950 --> 00:33:21,200
someone else so he did it then for the

937
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:22,960
next 15 years yes

938
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:24,960
that was the one issue he claimed uh he

939
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,559
he loved it he loved it

940
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:28,320
he'd love the fame and fortune that you

941
00:33:36,470 --> 00:33:35,350
he enjoyed being being recognized in the

942
00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:36,480
street and one of his

943
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:38,640
great joys was at christmas time because

944
00:33:41,909 --> 00:33:40,960
he he he was a dead set ringer for santa

945
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:41,919
claus

946
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,600
so kids would look at him and think he

947
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:45,120
was santa claus at christmas time i

948
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:46,320
think he enjoyed that

949
00:33:49,350 --> 00:33:47,440
i've actually got i've actually got a

950
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:49,360
picture of a christmas card from him

951
00:33:52,310 --> 00:33:50,480
with a photo of him

952
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:52,320
with his with a stick raised in the air

953
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:54,640
saying bar

954
00:33:59,029 --> 00:33:56,320
i don't think he took it that seriously

955
00:34:02,230 --> 00:33:59,039
yeah so i took it over then in the

956
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:02,240
late about 2009. yes

957
00:34:05,669 --> 00:34:03,919
that's about right now i'm just glancing

958
00:34:06,750 --> 00:34:05,679
at this latest issue it only arrived in

959
00:34:09,430 --> 00:34:06,760
my

960
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:09,440
letterbox about a week ago

961
00:34:15,349 --> 00:34:12,879
and but i also get the online version

962
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:15,359
which is the same thing but as a pdf and

963
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,520
listeners you have the choice if you

964
00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:19,440
subscribe to the magazine you can even

965
00:34:23,030 --> 00:34:21,520
get the physical copy which i have in my

966
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:23,040
hand now which is great for read well

967
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:24,560
i'd like to say it's great for reading

968
00:34:27,589 --> 00:34:25,599
on trains and

969
00:34:28,950 --> 00:34:27,599
buses and out and about but we can't go

970
00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:28,960
out and about at the moment so it's

971
00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:29,679
great to

972
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:31,839
read in your favorite armchair or you

973
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:33,280
can peruse the version

974
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:35,440
uh sent to your inbox and you can

975
00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:37,919
subscribe at skeptics.com.u

976
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:40,240
how do you go about each quarter tim

977
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:42,240
where do you get your stories from

978
00:34:46,470 --> 00:34:44,560
how much do you rely on maybe listeners

979
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:46,480
to send you ideas

980
00:34:50,069 --> 00:34:49,520
a lot i mean uh to to for any editor and

981
00:34:52,389 --> 00:34:50,079
sort of

982
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:52,399
contributions so uh worth their weight

983
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:53,359
in gold

984
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:58,160
yes um it's it's basically i love to

985
00:35:01,430 --> 00:34:59,839
hear from people who have got ideas for

986
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:01,440
articles etc or

987
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:04,320
book reviews or letters to the editor or

988
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,320
opinion pieces

989
00:35:10,470 --> 00:35:08,640
items reports on meetings that sort of

990
00:35:11,589 --> 00:35:10,480
thing we cover a whole lot of range of

991
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:11,599
stuff and people can see

992
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:13,119
what the magazine looks like on the

993
00:35:16,870 --> 00:35:14,800
website yes

994
00:35:18,069 --> 00:35:16,880
and mostly issues you can download for

995
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:18,079
free so you get a good idea

996
00:35:21,589 --> 00:35:20,320
the sort of things we cover um then

997
00:35:25,349 --> 00:35:21,599
people can email me

998
00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:25,359
at uh editor at skeptics.com.iu and

999
00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:26,720
discuss what they have in mind it's good

1000
00:35:29,030 --> 00:35:28,079
to write first before you write

1001
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:29,040
something yeah

1002
00:35:31,910 --> 00:35:30,480
we might have already covered it we have

1003
00:35:32,710 --> 00:35:31,920
people who occasionally send me a book

1004
00:35:36,470 --> 00:35:32,720
review

1005
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,480
that book last year yeah yeah so it's

1006
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,800
good to check first um but then what i

1007
00:35:42,390 --> 00:35:40,880
do is all these contributions come in

1008
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:42,400
and i put them in a pot and throw them

1009
00:35:47,910 --> 00:35:44,000
up into the air and a magazine comes

1010
00:35:51,030 --> 00:35:50,150
we go through a lot of process obviously

1011
00:35:53,990 --> 00:35:51,040
receiving

1012
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:54,000
uh stuff juggling deciding what goes in

1013
00:35:56,630 --> 00:35:54,480
uh

1014
00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:56,640
what the feature will be the big feature

1015
00:35:59,670 --> 00:35:57,760
every issue we have

1016
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:59,680
one we have several articles devoted to

1017
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:01,280
a particular topic

1018
00:36:04,870 --> 00:36:02,880
the most recent issue that you've got in

1019
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:04,880
your hot little hands right now is about

1020
00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:07,680
why people believe yes ideas so

1021
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:08,960
sometimes we have that sort of

1022
00:36:13,430 --> 00:36:11,680
philosophical themes other times we have

1023
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:13,440
physical things we had a big feature on

1024
00:36:16,950 --> 00:36:14,000
uh

1025
00:36:17,589 --> 00:36:16,960
ufos in particular a particular case in

1026
00:36:21,510 --> 00:36:17,599
uh

1027
00:36:24,310 --> 00:36:21,520
australia called the nullarbor plane

1028
00:36:26,310 --> 00:36:24,320
yeah and that was a lot about that and i

1029
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:26,320
i enjoy every every quarter too i try to

1030
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:28,560
send you a few contributions myself

1031
00:36:32,870 --> 00:36:30,960
uh the latest one in this magazine is my

1032
00:36:34,870 --> 00:36:32,880
report about mind body wallet

1033
00:36:36,870 --> 00:36:34,880
and the article is called the return of

1034
00:36:38,790 --> 00:36:36,880
the unwelcome prodigal son

1035
00:36:40,470 --> 00:36:38,800
and it's just my adventures which were

1036
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:40,480
covered on the skeptic zone but in print

1037
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:41,760
so people can read

1038
00:36:45,349 --> 00:36:43,520
uh all about that and that's that's a

1039
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:45,359
nice little one pager

1040
00:36:48,790 --> 00:36:47,440
uh a report if people are out and about

1041
00:36:50,630 --> 00:36:48,800
they see something crazy or they've got

1042
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:50,640
a point of view yes by all means

1043
00:36:55,270 --> 00:36:53,359
write to tim and pitch your idea you

1044
00:36:56,630 --> 00:36:55,280
never know you might be in print

1045
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:56,640
yeah i mean so we even print some of

1046
00:37:02,630 --> 00:36:59,920
yours occasionally yes occasionally

1047
00:37:03,910 --> 00:37:02,640
no we also do take stuff we actually um

1048
00:37:06,069 --> 00:37:03,920
unashamedly lifts

1049
00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:06,079
a lift stuff from the skeptic zone

1050
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,270
and you occasionally take things out of

1051
00:37:19,109 --> 00:37:17,040
the skeptic magazine as well

1052
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:19,119
well i mean i must say that that's what

1053
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:20,640
the whole book of tim segment is

1054
00:37:23,829 --> 00:37:21,680
normally about

1055
00:37:25,829 --> 00:37:23,839
is you reading from the pages of the

1056
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:25,839
skeptic but you're reading your own

1057
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:29,200
your own work basically sometimes yeah

1058
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,480
yeah because that's always the most

1059
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:32,320
interesting stuff you know in my own

1060
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:32,800
work

1061
00:37:38,150 --> 00:37:36,400
interesting stuff but

1062
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:38,160
i do read from other people and the

1063
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:39,839
things i tend to read out in the book of

1064
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:41,200
team are the things that are sort of

1065
00:37:46,150 --> 00:37:44,000
a fairly uh not time sensitive you know

1066
00:37:47,349 --> 00:37:46,160
they're perennial topics that that just

1067
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:47,359
can be read at any time

1068
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:50,000
yeah like a news item or something like

1069
00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:51,359
that so we've had

1070
00:37:54,390 --> 00:37:53,280
in all those 40-plus years of stuff

1071
00:37:55,589 --> 00:37:54,400
you've had some pretty interesting

1072
00:37:57,190 --> 00:37:55,599
articles

1073
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:57,200
and items written you know for the

1074
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:59,200
magazine and there is a plethora of

1075
00:38:02,710 --> 00:37:59,680
stuff

1076
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:02,720
it is extreme it is extraordinary

1077
00:38:07,030 --> 00:38:04,960
when you go and and consider that 40

1078
00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:07,040
years worth of articles reports

1079
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:09,760
interviews and so forth and it's

1080
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:12,320
searchable so if you go to skeptics.com

1081
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:13,520
and type in the search

1082
00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:16,480
box the area of interest you have or the

1083
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:18,320
name you're after you will probably

1084
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:20,240
find something in the pages of the

1085
00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:22,320
magazine that relate to it

1086
00:38:25,430 --> 00:38:24,800
you will find something about everything

1087
00:38:27,510 --> 00:38:25,440
yeah

1088
00:38:28,470 --> 00:38:27,520
i would type in wouldn't type in a

1089
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:28,480
common word like

1090
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:37,109
it's like if you typed in james randy

1091
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:39,760
you'd get many many returns but

1092
00:38:43,589 --> 00:38:41,839
i i remember typing in thing i mean when

1093
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:43,599
i doing research for stories i'll go

1094
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,480
there and type in

1095
00:38:48,630 --> 00:38:46,480
the topic i'm sort of interested in

1096
00:38:50,150 --> 00:38:48,640
interested in maybe iridology

1097
00:38:51,910 --> 00:38:50,160
or what have you and it's a it's a

1098
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,920
wonderful uh it's like

1099
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:54,000
me going to the trove archive every week

1100
00:38:57,670 --> 00:38:55,680
for stories for the skeptic zone i'll

1101
00:39:00,310 --> 00:38:57,680
also go to the skeptic's

1102
00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:00,320
website and again it's it's just a

1103
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:02,560
wealth of information

1104
00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:05,760
the

1105
00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:10,480
discussions about

1106
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:12,400
the underpinnings of skepticism all the

1107
00:39:16,870 --> 00:39:13,520
way down to

1108
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:16,880
little green men as i always say why are

1109
00:39:19,030 --> 00:39:17,520
they little

1110
00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:19,040
and why are they green and why are they

1111
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,800
men maybe they they could be tall blue

1112
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:22,560
women next time i just don't know

1113
00:39:25,589 --> 00:39:24,880
that'll be good yeah yeah invasion of

1114
00:39:31,349 --> 00:39:25,599
the

1115
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:31,359
all right well tim thanks thanks for a

1116
00:39:34,870 --> 00:39:32,880
lot for filling us in on

1117
00:39:36,710 --> 00:39:34,880
your activities of doing the skeptical

1118
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:36,720
magazine you must be

1119
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:39,200
in at the moment uh putting your mind to

1120
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:40,560
the next issue

1121
00:39:43,910 --> 00:39:42,640
i am working on the september issue so

1122
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:43,920
if people are quick

1123
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:45,359
depending on when this appears in the

1124
00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:48,320
skeptic exam of course oh very soon

1125
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:51,839
tomorrow tomorrow okay well therefore

1126
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,440
now's a good time if you have an idea

1127
00:39:57,190 --> 00:39:55,200
write to me asap

1128
00:39:59,109 --> 00:39:57,200
and say tim i've got this brilliant idea

1129
00:39:59,910 --> 00:39:59,119
that i've been gestating for years and

1130
00:40:02,069 --> 00:39:59,920
years and years

1131
00:40:03,190 --> 00:40:02,079
and i'd love to write an article for the

1132
00:40:05,430 --> 00:40:03,200
skeptic magazine

1133
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:05,440
and you know that we pay in round

1134
00:40:08,950 --> 00:40:07,599
figures yes i get paid in the same round

1135
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:08,960
figures for years and years and years

1136
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:12,400
for writing for the skipping magazine

1137
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:15,599
and what a good deal it is uh and i

1138
00:40:19,990 --> 00:40:18,160
i mean broadly speaking we're after

1139
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:20,000
things that relate to skepticism i mean

1140
00:40:22,630 --> 00:40:20,640
we do

1141
00:40:24,150 --> 00:40:22,640
go down tangents every now and then but

1142
00:40:26,790 --> 00:40:24,160
if you've got something relating to the

1143
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:26,800
paranormal or quack medicine or

1144
00:40:31,430 --> 00:40:30,079
or that realm i think that's more likely

1145
00:40:33,109 --> 00:40:31,440
to get a look in

1146
00:40:35,430 --> 00:40:33,119
but we also take people's opinions and

1147
00:40:37,910 --> 00:40:35,440
we have a section called the forum

1148
00:40:39,910 --> 00:40:37,920
which is sort of like a long letters um

1149
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:39,920
section and uh you know people sort of

1150
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:41,040
as long as they've got some

1151
00:40:44,470 --> 00:40:43,119
substantiation without knowing what

1152
00:40:46,069 --> 00:40:44,480
they're saying and yeah

1153
00:40:47,829 --> 00:40:46,079
we have letters to the editors so

1154
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:47,839
sometimes it's it's heavy research

1155
00:40:51,829 --> 00:40:49,760
sometimes it's opinion pieces

1156
00:40:53,030 --> 00:40:51,839
sometimes it reports on meetings book

1157
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:53,040
reviews

1158
00:40:56,790 --> 00:40:54,720
have a look at the magazines you'll see

1159
00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:56,800
the range of stuff that we cover

1160
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:59,440
yeah and of course you have to be an

1161
00:41:03,829 --> 00:41:00,560
australian

1162
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,839
australia to do our challenge but to

1163
00:41:07,790 --> 00:41:05,760
contribute to the magazine you can be

1164
00:41:10,550 --> 00:41:07,800
anywhere in the world folks visit

1165
00:41:11,990 --> 00:41:10,560
skeptics.com.edu look at the back issues

1166
00:41:13,430 --> 00:41:12,000
most of which are free for you to

1167
00:41:14,470 --> 00:41:13,440
download and peruse and you'll get a

1168
00:41:16,470 --> 00:41:14,480
better idea

1169
00:41:19,270 --> 00:41:16,480
well tim i better let you get back to

1170
00:41:24,450 --> 00:41:19,280
the very next issue and thanks a lot

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00:41:24,460 --> 00:41:35,430
[Music]

1172
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:37,349
g'day this is dr carl carl kushnicki

1173
00:41:39,670 --> 00:41:38,800
proud to be a skeptic and you can find

1174
00:41:41,990 --> 00:41:39,680
out more about me

1175
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:42,000
at drcarl.com and get lots of free stuff

1176
00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:52,710
hey richard richard hey richard richard

1177
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:54,160
hey richard richard

1178
00:41:57,750 --> 00:41:55,839
what are your main art what is it mister

1179
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,760
stiff shirt skepty man

1180
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:59,520
hey yeah what what what hey look what i

1181
00:42:02,630 --> 00:42:01,680
got here what is what is this now you've

1182
00:42:05,829 --> 00:42:02,640
heard

1183
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:05,839
of the tibetan singing bowl yeah which

1184
00:42:07,829 --> 00:42:07,280
is another sort it just makes it sort of

1185
00:42:10,150 --> 00:42:07,839
a big

1186
00:42:11,910 --> 00:42:10,160
noise listen to this i'll just tap my

1187
00:42:15,030 --> 00:42:11,920
tibetan singing bowl

1188
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:15,040
right yeah

1189
00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:20,950
well sure that can be relaxing but who

1190
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:23,280
wants relaxing in today's world

1191
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:25,200
i want with attention yeah i want a bit

1192
00:42:29,510 --> 00:42:27,119
of showbiz what i want a

1193
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:29,520
broadway singing bowl a what which is

1194
00:42:32,710 --> 00:42:31,440
exactly what i've got here what the what

1195
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:32,720
the hell you just tap it

1196
00:42:38,710 --> 00:42:34,720
yeah and does show tunes check out come

1197
00:42:38,720 --> 00:42:41,829
remember

1198
00:42:49,290 --> 00:42:44,950
and this i wanna

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00:42:50,710 --> 00:42:49,300
be a part of it new york new york

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00:43:00,150 --> 00:42:50,720
[Music]

1201
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:02,470
so say goodbye to relaxing singing

1202
00:43:18,660 --> 00:43:03,920
tibetan balls

1203
00:43:26,470 --> 00:43:23,670
[Music]

1204
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:26,480
where do you get these things from good

1205
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:30,790
[Music]

1206
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:34,400
oh i'm so relaxed now

1207
00:43:39,990 --> 00:43:37,839
ah okay you may not thanks

1208
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,000
you know i gotta say bigfoot's bs but

1209
00:43:43,349 --> 00:43:42,000
the chupacabra is totally the result of

1210
00:43:45,589 --> 00:43:43,359
top-secret government genetic

1211
00:43:47,349 --> 00:43:45,599
experiments on remote island

1212
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:47,359
taking medical advice from mcguinness

1213
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:49,520
paltrow like steaming your lady parts

1214
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:50,640
and putting jade eggs

1215
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:52,480
all up in there is a great way to

1216
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:54,160
improve your health

1217
00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:56,160
police from around the world regularly

1218
00:44:00,390 --> 00:43:58,400
use psychics to solve crimes

1219
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,400
they just don't talk about it

1220
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:02,880
spontaneous human combustion is for sure

1221
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:05,280
a real thing i've read all about it on

1222
00:44:07,829 --> 00:44:06,079
the internet

1223
00:44:10,150 --> 00:44:07,839
and i worry someday it's going to happen

1224
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:10,160
to me

1225
00:44:13,589 --> 00:44:11,520
we all have friends and family who

1226
00:44:15,829 --> 00:44:13,599
believe these things and much more

1227
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:15,839
well if you're a rational thinker who is

1228
00:44:18,870 --> 00:44:17,680
tired of arguing on social media and

1229
00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:18,880
never getting anywhere

1230
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:21,119
we have a solution for you join the

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1253
00:45:17,850 --> 00:45:05,119
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1254
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:17,860
the time is now musicbypurpleplanet.com

1255
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:21,040
[Music]

1256
00:45:27,109 --> 00:45:23,750
ah trove you are the gift that keeps on

1257
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:28,950
we've looked up so many strange and

1258
00:45:33,109 --> 00:45:31,280
unusual things in the trove archives

1259
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:33,119
the online resource from the australian

1260
00:45:35,829 --> 00:45:34,560
government and the national library of

1261
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:35,839
australia with

1262
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:38,880
digitized newspapers and so on

1263
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:40,880
this week i thought we'd look up

1264
00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:43,040
references in australian history

1265
00:45:53,270 --> 00:45:51,670
and you can imagine that a search for

1266
00:45:55,910 --> 00:45:53,280
psychic animals

1267
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:55,920
returns a lot of results so here are a

1268
00:46:03,270 --> 00:45:56,880
few picked

1269
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:05,430
and the first story comes to us from the

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00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:07,280
world's news

1271
00:46:12,829 --> 00:46:11,040
saturday the 27th of january 1940

1272
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:12,839
and this was a newspaper in sydney

1273
00:46:16,070 --> 00:46:14,319
australia

1274
00:46:18,309 --> 00:46:16,080
psychic animals

1275
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:18,319
[Music]

1276
00:46:21,750 --> 00:46:20,240
some scientists believe that animals are

1277
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:21,760
gifted with psychic powers

1278
00:46:25,750 --> 00:46:24,240
and are often able to sense coming

1279
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:25,760
disasters

1280
00:46:29,230 --> 00:46:27,680
on the night before the tokyo earthquake

1281
00:46:33,030 --> 00:46:29,240
of october

1282
00:46:33,430 --> 00:46:33,040
1923 the howling of dogs in the city was

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00:46:36,470 --> 00:46:33,440
so

1284
00:46:38,870 --> 00:46:36,480
general that people were appalled many

1285
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:38,880
held that it was a portent of evil

1286
00:46:43,990 --> 00:46:42,640
and disaster overtook them one hundred

1287
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:44,000
thousand were killed

1288
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:45,760
one hundred and fifty thousand injured

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00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:48,000
and fifty thousand missing

1290
00:46:54,150 --> 00:46:51,520
rats often leave a doomed vessel before

1291
00:46:55,670 --> 00:46:54,160
there is any sign of danger some time

1292
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:55,680
ago in assam

1293
00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,680
there was an invasion of highland by

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00:47:02,470 --> 00:46:59,760
thousands of animals and reptiles

1295
00:47:03,430 --> 00:47:02,480
tigers deer and rabbits loped along with

1296
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:03,440
each other

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00:47:07,990 --> 00:47:06,640
and when they all reached a safe level a

1298
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:08,000
deluge broke

1299
00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:10,800
flooding the lowlands for miles but the

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00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,880
most remarkable case of animals fleeing

1301
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,160
from disaster

1302
00:47:18,790 --> 00:47:16,079
occurred just before the island of

1303
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:18,800
krakatoa was demolished by volcanic

1304
00:47:22,549 --> 00:47:19,920
eruption

1305
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:22,559
for days before the water was black with

1306
00:47:26,230 --> 00:47:23,839
swimming animals

1307
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:26,240
all racing out the sea away from the

1308
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:27,200
doomed

1309
00:47:31,990 --> 00:47:31,520
island and the next item comes to us

1310
00:47:34,790 --> 00:47:32,000
from

1311
00:47:36,829 --> 00:47:34,800
northern times in western australia

1312
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:36,839
dated the 3rd of april

1313
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:40,240
1941 psychic animals

1314
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,880
proof that domestic animals are psychic

1315
00:47:48,870 --> 00:47:44,640
is to be found in the fact that

1316
00:47:51,030 --> 00:47:48,880
few are killed or injured in air raids

1317
00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:51,040
a bomb which fell in one home district

1318
00:47:55,190 --> 00:47:52,079
practically demolished

1319
00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:55,200
an animal first aid post rescuers feared

1320
00:48:00,870 --> 00:47:57,520
for the safety of a dog who was

1321
00:48:03,430 --> 00:48:00,880
taking shelter they found him merrily

1322
00:48:06,470 --> 00:48:03,440
wagging his tail amidst the ruins

1323
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:06,480
an arp animal guard states that

1324
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:09,200
though in her district cats continue to

1325
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:11,760
walk the streets during the bombardment

1326
00:48:15,990 --> 00:48:13,839
she has not heard of one being injured

1327
00:48:17,430 --> 00:48:16,000
by shrapnel

1328
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:17,440
and now here's one from the daily

1329
00:48:24,470 --> 00:48:21,040
advertiser wagga wagga dated 1926

1330
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:24,480
on the 30th of december a dog's

1331
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:27,520
psychic sense here is a story of a true

1332
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:29,200
psychic

1333
00:48:36,390 --> 00:48:33,359
born in june 1925 this wire-headed

1334
00:48:39,109 --> 00:48:36,400
psychic terrier vic

1335
00:48:40,069 --> 00:48:39,119
was electrocuted on the underground

1336
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:40,079
railway

1337
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:43,760
on august the 9th 1926 writes pax

1338
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:47,440
in light and the words pax and light are

1339
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:48,079
in quotation

1340
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:50,319
marks so i guess pax is a correspondent

1341
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:52,480
or a reporter or something and

1342
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:55,200
light might be a publication of some

1343
00:48:59,750 --> 00:48:56,480
description

1344
00:49:02,630 --> 00:48:59,760
the first instance that vic gave of

1345
00:49:03,270 --> 00:49:02,640
possessing psychic gifts was his last

1346
00:49:05,589 --> 00:49:03,280
winter

1347
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:05,599
when alone with me one sunday evening he

1348
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:07,760
began to growl and bark

1349
00:49:14,230 --> 00:49:11,119
at someone invisible

1350
00:49:14,790 --> 00:49:14,240
in the armchair by the fire he lying

1351
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:14,800
there

1352
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:17,839
by my feet on the sofa while i read by

1353
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:21,119
bright electric light at last after

1354
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:25,040
invoking the high powers i got up and

1355
00:49:29,109 --> 00:49:28,640
sat down in the chair displacing as i

1356
00:49:32,309 --> 00:49:29,119
did

1357
00:49:34,309 --> 00:49:32,319
so strong psychic vibrations

1358
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:34,319
while vic looked on in great

1359
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:36,079
astonishment

1360
00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:38,720
i first used quote clairvoyance men

1361
00:49:41,990 --> 00:49:39,599
quote

1362
00:49:43,190 --> 00:49:42,000
by hearing that my visident was my

1363
00:49:46,069 --> 00:49:43,200
father

1364
00:49:48,390 --> 00:49:46,079
explained matters to him and asked him

1365
00:49:51,750 --> 00:49:48,400
for the sake of people in the room

1366
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:51,760
to go away this he did and at once

1367
00:49:56,630 --> 00:49:54,400
the dog leapt from the sofa and smelt

1368
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:56,640
around the spot where the spirit

1369
00:50:03,190 --> 00:49:59,760
form had stood a few weeks later

1370
00:50:07,030 --> 00:50:03,200
em heard vic playing about the garden

1371
00:50:07,990 --> 00:50:07,040
as with another animal so fearing a cat

1372
00:50:10,589 --> 00:50:08,000
had got in

1373
00:50:11,750 --> 00:50:10,599
she went to the window and quote

1374
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:11,760
visualized

1375
00:50:15,910 --> 00:50:14,079
and quote a very small black and white

1376
00:50:17,910 --> 00:50:15,920
terrier playing with ours

1377
00:50:19,990 --> 00:50:17,920
after a few minutes a noise in the next

1378
00:50:23,430 --> 00:50:20,000
garden seemed to alarm the visitor

1379
00:50:27,349 --> 00:50:23,440
who disappeared where he stood and left

1380
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:27,359
vic to whine and scratch on the spot

1381
00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:31,760
and quote astral and quote large white

1382
00:50:35,109 --> 00:50:33,680
persian cat curled up on the drawing

1383
00:50:38,309 --> 00:50:35,119
room hearth rug

1384
00:50:39,670 --> 00:50:38,319
was another cause of vicks growls on

1385
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:39,680
several occasions

1386
00:50:45,910 --> 00:50:43,359
as he called m's attention to his enemy

1387
00:50:46,549 --> 00:50:45,920
on the other hand he welcomed the

1388
00:50:49,510 --> 00:50:46,559
delight

1389
00:50:50,790 --> 00:50:49,520
of my sister's occasional visits even

1390
00:50:55,030 --> 00:50:50,800
jumping up to kiss

1391
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:57,990
after vic passed away at times we felt

1392
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:58,880
his presence

1393
00:51:02,309 --> 00:51:01,599
as well as hearing through the quote

1394
00:51:05,829 --> 00:51:02,319
sidorik

1395
00:51:07,109 --> 00:51:05,839
ring end quote that he was well and only

1396
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:07,119
taken away from us

1397
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:09,839
as being quote too human end quote but

1398
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:10,720
never saw him

1399
00:51:16,069 --> 00:51:13,839
until september the second on that day

1400
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:16,079
m while at midday dinner became

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00:51:18,790 --> 00:51:18,160
conscious of a push against her right

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00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:18,800
side

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00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:21,599
a way vic had of calling her attention

1404
00:51:25,349 --> 00:51:22,079
and

1405
00:51:28,710 --> 00:51:25,359
on looking around found him by her

1406
00:51:31,990 --> 00:51:28,720
well and joyful wagging his tail

1407
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,000
she at once petted something intangible

1408
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:34,400
and told him how we missed him and that

1409
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:35,440
the new dog

1410
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:38,160
could never be the same to us the latter

1411
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:38,880
meanwhile

1412
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:41,599
retreating in terror across the room

1413
00:51:45,109 --> 00:51:42,079
until

1414
00:51:46,630 --> 00:51:45,119
hidden behind a screen he only rushed

1415
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:46,640
back to the table

1416
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:49,680
when his predecessor disappeared

1417
00:51:54,710 --> 00:51:53,520
since then peter the new dog has given

1418
00:51:57,510 --> 00:51:54,720
proof of seeing

1419
00:51:59,190 --> 00:51:57,520
vic who on these occasions has not

1420
00:52:01,589 --> 00:51:59,200
materialized

1421
00:52:04,069 --> 00:52:01,599
i thank god that we shall even meet our

1422
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:04,079
animal friends when we too

1423
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:07,920
quote cross the harbour bar end quote

1424
00:52:10,950 --> 00:52:09,680
and what an interesting story from

1425
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:10,960
people who

1426
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:15,839
obviously firmly believed

1427
00:52:19,349 --> 00:52:17,760
now let's turn to the herald from

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00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:19,359
melbourne victoria

1429
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:23,680
dated the 4th of december 1943

1430
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:27,280
under the banner of in town and out

1431
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,400
psychic animals most people

1432
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:32,800
who have anything to do with animals

1433
00:52:36,230 --> 00:52:33,440
must have

1434
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:36,240
noticed at odd times their possession of

1435
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:37,040
a psychic

1436
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:40,480
sense nowhere has this been more evident

1437
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:43,280
than in the menagerie of willerf's

1438
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:44,319
circus

1439
00:52:49,349 --> 00:52:47,440
i am told that when jesse and doll the

1440
00:52:51,430 --> 00:52:49,359
two elephants returned to the circus

1441
00:52:54,069 --> 00:52:51,440
after their long trek from

1442
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:54,079
sydney a few weeks ago all the animals

1443
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:55,680
parked in the circus by

1444
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:58,240
princess bridge started a great

1445
00:53:01,990 --> 00:52:59,119
hullaballoo

1446
00:53:03,589 --> 00:53:02,000
of welcome when the returners were more

1447
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:03,599
than a mile away

1448
00:53:07,510 --> 00:53:05,839
and out of sight somewhere at the top

1449
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:07,520
end of elizabeth street

1450
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:10,559
doris woreth recounts that at the

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00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:12,800
time of her late father's death in

1452
00:53:16,549 --> 00:53:15,280
sydney the elephants trumped piously for

1453
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:16,559
hours at roma

1454
00:53:21,190 --> 00:53:19,359
queensland the horses to which the late

1455
00:53:24,150 --> 00:53:21,200
mr welleth was devoted

1456
00:53:26,710 --> 00:53:24,160
got into a state bordering on frenzy and

1457
00:53:29,670 --> 00:53:26,720
there was a definite feeling of

1458
00:53:30,630 --> 00:53:29,680
uncanniness amongst the whole circus

1459
00:53:32,790 --> 00:53:30,640
colony

1460
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:32,800
long before sick or stolen animals are

1461
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:33,920
returned to the

1462
00:53:40,390 --> 00:53:37,119
lot the other animals seem to know

1463
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:43,750
and now let's look into the daily

1464
00:53:50,309 --> 00:53:46,480
mercury from 1939 the 2nd of

1465
00:53:53,510 --> 00:53:50,319
march and this was from mckay queensland

1466
00:53:57,190 --> 00:53:53,520
psychic experiments london february 18th

1467
00:53:58,390 --> 00:53:57,200
by air mail strange ghost stories were

1468
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:58,400
related this week

1469
00:54:01,910 --> 00:54:00,960
to a london audience by sir ernest

1470
00:54:04,470 --> 00:54:01,920
bennett

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00:54:06,710 --> 00:54:04,480
former assistant postmaster general and

1472
00:54:07,349 --> 00:54:06,720
member of the council of the psychical

1473
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:07,359
research

1474
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:10,559
society the reverend frederick salt

1475
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:13,599
of newbury berkshire who is now in

1476
00:54:16,790 --> 00:54:16,480
south africa told sir ernest of a visit

1477
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:16,800
to

1478
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:19,280
an aunt's house while sitting at a table

1479
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:22,240
mr salt saw a cat beside his chair

1480
00:54:27,990 --> 00:54:25,359
he bent down to stroke it but his hand

1481
00:54:28,710 --> 00:54:28,000
meant nothing what are you looking at

1482
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:28,720
fred

1483
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:31,520
asked his aunt have you seen the family

1484
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:32,160
ghost

1485
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:35,359
a cat sir ernest visited a husband and

1486
00:54:39,750 --> 00:54:37,440
wife in a north chester village

1487
00:54:41,109 --> 00:54:39,760
the wife said that night after night she

1488
00:54:44,230 --> 00:54:41,119
saw a figure entering

1489
00:54:46,630 --> 00:54:44,240
the room where she sat every night it

1490
00:54:49,670 --> 00:54:46,640
put its hands around her throat

1491
00:54:52,950 --> 00:54:49,680
as though to strangle her

1492
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:52,960
she bore that said sir ernest bennett

1493
00:54:59,190 --> 00:54:56,319
with equanimity her husband was

1494
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:59,200
skeptical but one night he heard his

1495
00:55:03,990 --> 00:55:01,200
wife making an exclamation

1496
00:55:05,270 --> 00:55:04,000
and turning around saw a man standing in

1497
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:05,280
the doorway

1498
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:08,720
he struck at him and the apparition

1499
00:55:15,430 --> 00:55:12,240
disappeared there we go

1500
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:15,440
a little story of a ghostly cat and

1501
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:17,280
finally the story you've been waiting

1502
00:55:22,390 --> 00:55:20,079
for and i've already posted this around

1503
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:22,400
the traps on facebook here and there

1504
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:24,319
because it's such a delightful story

1505
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:26,559
from the daily news perth western

1506
00:55:30,430 --> 00:55:29,119
australia dated the 31st of october how

1507
00:55:34,309 --> 00:55:30,440
appropriate

1508
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:34,319
1936 psychic duck

1509
00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:37,280
in a trance prominent british scientists

1510
00:55:39,670 --> 00:55:39,200
are being invited across the atlantic to

1511
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:39,680
learn

1512
00:55:45,670 --> 00:55:43,040
wisdom by sitting at the feet

1513
00:55:47,829 --> 00:55:45,680
of a psychic duck that goes it is

1514
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:47,839
claimed into a trance controlled by the

1515
00:55:53,670 --> 00:55:50,000
spirit of an indian chief

1516
00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:53,680
mr edward b coyne owner of cricket

1517
00:55:57,750 --> 00:55:55,760
a duck over which hundreds of

1518
00:55:58,789 --> 00:55:57,760
psychically inclined americans are

1519
00:56:01,109 --> 00:55:58,799
raving

1520
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:01,119
told me he wanted european surveillance

1521
00:56:04,710 --> 00:56:02,640
to meet it

1522
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:04,720
i've already written inviting members of

1523
00:56:08,230 --> 00:56:06,880
the british society of psychical

1524
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:08,240
research to come over

1525
00:56:12,789 --> 00:56:11,760
and meet cricket when the organ is

1526
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:12,799
played

1527
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:16,400
cricket sings or rather

1528
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:19,760
quacks rhythmically showing particular

1529
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:20,880
favor for

1530
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,400
quote oh the wings of a dove end quote

1531
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:26,640
reverenced by hundreds guarded and

1532
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:28,960
cherished like a million dollar baby

1533
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:31,680
there certainly hasn't been anything in

1534
00:56:36,150 --> 00:56:32,799
history

1535
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:36,160
like this fat psychic

1536
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:41,670
[Music]

1537
00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:44,160
and there we go just a brief sample of

1538
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:46,000
the many entries over the

1539
00:56:50,309 --> 00:56:49,280
decades and centuries about psychic

1540
00:56:52,790 --> 00:56:50,319
animals

1541
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:52,800
and maybe their psychic owners

1542
00:56:57,270 --> 00:56:55,599
[Music]

1543
00:56:59,829 --> 00:56:57,280
next week in the trove segment we'll be

1544
00:57:03,270 --> 00:56:59,839
looking more into reports on

1545
00:57:05,430 --> 00:57:03,280
testing psychic ability

1546
00:57:07,270 --> 00:57:05,440
and you too can spend many happy hours

1547
00:57:11,510 --> 00:57:07,280
wandering through the archives

1548
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:11,520
at trove.nla.gov.eu

1549
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:13,920
and like me you'll never know what

1550
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:31,270
thank you for listening to the skeptic

1551
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:33,760
zone and as the skeptical fairy

1552
00:57:38,390 --> 00:57:35,680
godmother angel from the internet

1553
00:57:39,670 --> 00:57:38,400
reminded us in this week's episode

1554
00:57:42,630 --> 00:57:39,680
well you can watch all sorts of

1555
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:42,640
skeptical events online

1556
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:46,240
uh sadly we only had one

1557
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:47,920
face-to-face meeting of skeptics in the

1558
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:50,720
pub all year and the covet came

1559
00:57:55,510 --> 00:57:54,240
back to haunt us all last uh

1560
00:57:57,910 --> 00:57:55,520
last couple of weeks a couple of weeks

1561
00:57:59,349 --> 00:57:57,920
ago skeptics in the pub we had a very

1562
00:58:02,069 --> 00:57:59,359
interesting talk by

1563
00:58:04,150 --> 00:58:02,079
our friend gideon my of its katz about

1564
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:04,160
coffee is coffee good for you

1565
00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:07,280
and i've put a link to that talk in this

1566
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:08,000
week's show

1567
00:58:13,430 --> 00:58:11,040
notes sydney skeptics in the pub online

1568
00:58:14,549 --> 00:58:13,440
and we've had to make arrangements for

1569
00:58:17,670 --> 00:58:14,559
next month

1570
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:17,680
for the first thursday in august and our

1571
00:58:22,789 --> 00:58:20,160
special guest speaker will be

1572
00:58:24,789 --> 00:58:22,799
professor paul willis and his talk is

1573
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:24,799
beyond atheist

1574
00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:26,960
if you go to meet up and search for

1575
00:58:30,789 --> 00:58:28,960
australian skeptics you can find out

1576
00:58:32,069 --> 00:58:30,799
more details and it would be great if

1577
00:58:34,549 --> 00:58:32,079
you could join us

1578
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:34,559
online where you can ask questions of

1579
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:36,640
our guest speaker each month

1580
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:38,240
thank you to those people who continue

1581
00:58:42,150 --> 00:58:40,160
to support the skeptic zone

1582
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:42,160
via patreon or paypal which means a lot

1583
00:58:46,870 --> 00:58:43,440
to the show at the moment

1584
00:58:48,789 --> 00:58:46,880
especially my other sources of income

1585
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:48,799
have dried up once again

1586
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:52,960
because of the lockdown my other

1587
00:58:56,069 --> 00:58:55,119
part-time career as a part-time actor

1588
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:56,079
and so on

1589
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:58,079
is all on hold at the moment and for the

1590
00:59:00,950 --> 00:59:00,000
second year running i'm heartbroken to

1591
00:59:03,510 --> 00:59:00,960
say

1592
00:59:04,549 --> 00:59:03,520
that the mystery investigators show

1593
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:04,559
won't be going ahead

1594
00:59:08,950 --> 00:59:07,920
because we just can't perform owing to

1595
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:08,960
the lockdown

1596
00:59:13,670 --> 00:59:11,920
and that's uh too bad on on many levels

1597
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:13,680
one it's a source of income every year

1598
00:59:17,589 --> 00:59:14,400
which has

1599
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:17,599
disappeared and two it's means that i'm

1600
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:18,880
not reaching

1601
00:59:21,990 --> 00:59:20,799
hundreds hundreds of school students

1602
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:22,000
with

1603
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:23,760
the skeptical school show about water

1604
00:59:27,910 --> 00:59:25,920
divining and a bed of nails and

1605
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:27,920
physics and optical illusions and all

1606
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:29,359
sorts of things and i really like

1607
00:59:33,910 --> 00:59:30,319
performing that

1608
00:59:36,870 --> 00:59:33,920
along with my friend maynard

1609
00:59:38,789 --> 00:59:36,880
and ian bryce and other people through

1610
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:38,799
the years hopefully

1611
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:40,880
i really hope next year we can bring the

1612
00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:41,839
show back

1613
00:59:46,870 --> 00:59:43,119
i think the best part of the show the

1614
00:59:50,470 --> 00:59:46,880
kids like is when maynard throws minties

1615
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:50,480
to them or maynard stands on my back and

1616
00:59:53,109 --> 00:59:52,319
plays the trombone while i lie on a bed

1617
00:59:54,950 --> 00:59:53,119
of nails

1618
00:59:57,630 --> 00:59:54,960
but yes thank you to those people who

1619
01:00:00,630 --> 00:59:57,640
support the show at the

1620
01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:00,640
skepticzone.tv with your monthly or your

1621
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:02,720
weekly contributions

1622
01:00:06,230 --> 01:00:04,400
thank you tim menden for that interview

1623
01:00:07,750 --> 01:00:06,240
in this week's show tim as soon as the

1624
01:00:10,150 --> 01:00:07,760
lockdown's over i'll come up to

1625
01:00:12,230 --> 01:00:10,160
skeptic headquarters skeptics

1626
01:00:15,190 --> 01:00:12,240
headquarters bring my little

1627
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:15,200
um homemade sound studio which is all

1628
01:00:17,829 --> 01:00:16,640
around me at the moment and we can

1629
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:17,839
record more

1630
01:00:21,430 --> 01:00:19,920
book of teams or books of tim or

1631
01:00:23,750 --> 01:00:21,440
something like that

1632
01:00:25,190 --> 01:00:23,760
but for this week this is richard

1633
01:00:31,750 --> 01:00:25,200
saunders signing off

1634
01:00:34,950 --> 01:00:33,510
you've been listening to the skeptic

1635
01:00:38,109 --> 01:00:34,960
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1636
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:38,119
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1637
01:00:42,630 --> 01:00:39,520
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1638
01:00:44,549 --> 01:00:42,640
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1639
01:00:48,069 --> 01:00:44,559
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1640
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:48,079
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1641
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:50,160
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1642
01:00:57,190 --> 01:00:53,599
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1643
01:00:58,549 --> 01:00:57,200
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1644
01:01:01,829 --> 01:00:58,559
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1645
01:01:02,549 --> 01:01:01,839
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1646
01:01:05,430 --> 01:01:02,559
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1647
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:05,440
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1648
01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:07,280
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1649
01:01:09,670 --> 01:01:07,680
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1650
01:01:11,589 --> 01:01:09,680
are not necessarily those of australian

1651
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:11,599
skeptics or any other

1652
01:01:34,710 --> 01:01:33,510
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1653
01:01:39,589 --> 01:01:34,720
and everything we should be talking

1654
01:01:41,190 --> 01:01:39,599
about predictions we're not

1655
01:01:43,750 --> 01:01:41,200
we get sidetracked every now and then

1656
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:43,760
folks yes it's the end of the episode

1657
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:45,359
it's the easter egg and we're going to

1658
01:01:48,950 --> 01:01:47,040
play the dice game

1659
01:01:50,710 --> 01:01:48,960
and i've got this week and i'll hold it

1660
01:01:52,789 --> 01:01:50,720
up to the camera everybody a six-sided

1661
01:01:55,510 --> 01:01:52,799
ufo die look at that

1662
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:55,520
oh oh very nice an alien you have to

1663
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:56,240
rename it

1664
01:02:02,150 --> 01:01:59,359
as a uap diversity a uap in the dark

1665
01:02:04,829 --> 01:02:02,160
it does it glows in the dark and turn

1666
01:02:07,270 --> 01:02:04,839
off the lights but

1667
01:02:09,270 --> 01:02:07,280
so let's do it

1668
01:02:10,549 --> 01:02:09,280
it's only a six-sided die someone's got

1669
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:10,559
to come up with the right answer

1670
01:02:17,349 --> 01:02:14,079
what do i hear three six

1671
01:02:18,950 --> 01:02:17,359
six six three one seven six all right

1672
01:02:20,390 --> 01:02:18,960
there we go here we go

1673
01:02:25,430 --> 01:02:20,400
here it comes folks and you at home

1674
01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:29,670
how can i tilt the camera to prove

1675
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:31,680
and i'll pick it up very slowly that

1676
01:02:38,789 --> 01:02:35,200
it's six

1677
01:02:40,630 --> 01:02:38,799
this that was not a setup it really did

1678
01:02:42,549 --> 01:02:40,640
all right six is the first number

1679
01:02:46,230 --> 01:02:42,559
predict again

1680
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:46,240
yes uh six six all right four

1681
01:02:51,270 --> 01:02:49,359
four right here we go

1682
01:02:57,190 --> 01:02:51,280
oh i wish i could say six because it

1683
01:03:01,349 --> 01:02:59,829
last one double it you get six i mean

1684
01:03:03,510 --> 01:03:01,359
we're on a roll so to speak

1685
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:03,520
okay one more guess everybody go for it

1686
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:04,799
i'm sticking with six

1687
01:03:11,510 --> 01:03:08,079
six seven six six and

1688
01:03:13,730 --> 01:03:11,520
what does the skeptical fairy predict

1689
01:03:15,190 --> 01:03:13,740
three three all right

1690
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:15,200
[Music]

1691
01:03:18,950 --> 01:03:17,200
how about that and again i i'm picking

1692
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:18,960
it up exactly as i pick it up

1693
01:03:27,589 --> 01:03:22,240
three michelle fairy got it because

1694
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:29,589
without fudging it or cheating or

1695
01:03:32,630 --> 01:03:32,319
anything on episode 666 the dice came up

1696
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:32,640
with

1697
01:03:39,510 --> 01:03:37,280
six and six sort of

1698
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:39,520
and we'll do a supplementary here we go

1699
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:41,760
one more this has to be sex

1700
01:03:48,150 --> 01:03:44,559
for sure no one's no one wants to guess

1701
01:03:52,309 --> 01:03:50,910
one one says michelle

1702
01:03:56,150 --> 01:03:52,319
[Music]

1703
01:04:02,549 --> 01:03:56,160
and to surprise everybody it's a four

1704
01:04:06,309 --> 01:04:04,950
thank you everybody all right well i